Hawthorne 2 Bilingual Alternative

Hawthorne 2 Bilingual Alternative
Morning Drop Off · 2008-01-17 11:10

Alternative · Council · Discussions · Education · Grade 7/8 · Philosophy

The chaos that occurs during morning drop off triggered a long conversation at the January 2008 Council meeting. There’s a lot more to say, so this topic is here to record ideas and concerns.

Morning drop off is problematic. Historically, parents, teachers, and students could mingle in the morning — this was part of the community-building culture that helped define H2. Over time, what with the move to narrower premises, and with the time constraints on teachers, this morning rubbing of shoulders is no longer possible. We don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water, but something needs to change as the current situation has several problems.

We need to identify our intentions and work out a plan from there. At the January 2008 council meeting, the following bits were noted in the minutes. Please pitch in the comments below. This on-going issue needs all our voices.

Staff had a 15-minute discussion about it this morning. Kathy says there’s still a lot of chaos. The idea there’d be a club.

  • we’re open to do anything as long as it doesn’t increase teacher supervision.
  • Does the staff have ideas?
  • We talked about what it used to be. We have alternate spaces which could be used. The library is a place for that on the 2nd floor. On the 3rd floor, we’ll look at an alternate room, because the classrooms cannot be used because the teachers need their classroom. There is supervision on the 3rd floor as it is.
  • Is the space in the library too small to also have the older kids there.
  • It doesn’t work when you have to drop your clothes up, go down to the library, and back up.
  • We discuss whether outside is good enough. We clarify access parents/teachers and parents/parents is an important piece for us.
    The problem on the 3rd floor is how cramped and unwelcoming the place is.
  • Since the reality of teachers not being available is here now, and since the “culture” we want to promote is of parents talking to parents, why not do it outside?
  • Observation: Parents hang out when the kids are younger and less when they’re older. What if the kids w/o parents stayed outside.


Comments

louise · 17. January 2008, 15:36 · #

every year a little bit more of this valuable piece of hawthorne community building/culture is eroded due to many different reasons- the end result is always less interaction with teachers and the community in general

oh the days when we could go into the classroom at 8:45 am and sit with the kids and read!!

do new folks realise how many schools do not let parents in the door at all in the morning (about 95%!) and what a great thing this is -when else do you get to see your child’s teacher, the principal, etc if not for an appointment?

so it is not just parents talking to parents. more access to teachers in general might mean that parents might be willing to be flexible or let go of the morning tradition but until then i would support whatvever we can do so that we do not all end up outside.

in the good weather more folks are outside anyway- cold/yucky weather does not endear anyone to stand around community building/networking.

when we had the room last year it was great as we also saw our child’s teacher at least 1 or twice a week in a time period that allowed some conversation so let’s try for that

Louise
7 years and counting at Hawthorne
parent of grade 5 and 3

stephen goring · 20. January 2008, 01:05 · #

To add to my comment from the council meeting – my specific idea was to suggest that the grade 4’s get added to the library group and the 5,6,7, & 8 graders wait on 3rd floor only if accompanied by parents and stay outside if not with parents. This allows the parents of grade 5, 6 (7 & 8) to still come up to the 3rd floor and connect if they want. Given that a chunk of those parents stop coming upstairs, those kids would be outside therefore reducing the # of kids hanging around the 3rd floor while still maintaining our ability to connect with other parents. I really liked the old days of being able to also connect with the teachers & admin at the beginning of the day, but it drove the teachers crazy to have parents trying to talk to them when they were trying to get their day under way. We’ll have to find other ways of interacting with them.

liz haines · 21. January 2008, 15:01 · #

Please, pleaese don’t change the morning drop offs. Having come from a school where you are band from entering the school, the casual, comfortable, rubbing shoulders chaos of the Hawthorne mornings is wonderful. It breeds familiarity, a sense of belonging and allows us to actually connect with others at the school. I think there’s a lot to be said for leaving things as they are and just reminding folks to reinforce respect for others in our kids and ourselves.
Liz
parent of Max, grade 2

Patti MacDonald · 22. January 2008, 21:20 · #

To build on Stephen’s idea, would it be possible to identify the library and the playground as the two areas for drop off of unaccompanied children? It might not even be necessary to designate specific grades to each. I know, for example, that my son would love to be able to play outside before school but he is in the lower grades so currently needs to go to the library at drop off time. As long as the library did not become too crowded, students could self-select their preferred morning activity. Only students accompanied by a parent (and whose classroom was on the third floor) would go directly there. This would reduce traffic as well as encourage parents to feel welcome in the school on days when they can stay.

gillian green · 25. January 2008, 15:21 · #

I had no idea that our routine was so different than other schools until speaking with friends…they are not allowed in the school at all —even in the junior years! Somehow, we need to keep this tradition going. What is the ‘lounge’ space on the second floor west of the library (with some couches) used for?

Barb Crawford · 2. February 2008, 17:02 · #

I need to agree with Louise, I feel sad about this and feel it would be a hurge loss. The school is our village. Lets not call it chaos, it is just the hussle of families arriving and it is a lively warm joyous time I feel. I think a gathering place would be one great idea and no, not outside, that can happen naturally but we need to support times when families interact.

The reality and activity of gathering at/in the school exists in the first place because we place a great value on community and see it as having a critical role in our kid’s education. When parents/teachers/kids interact they share ideas, needs, support, concerns in the community growth and learning take place AND people who might not normally be drawn in CAN be. This is really important to the school as it’s then we find out that an event needs volunteers or a school trip need parents or more personal needs in families. It is more that dropping coats and back packs.

I think a gathering place would be one great idea and no, not outside, that can happen naturally. I would be vehemently against banning being in the school in the morning.

Maybe I am not clear. Are kids not allowed in the school without parents or direct supervision? Are the kids running amok in the morning? If a parent is present can a group of kids be in the school? If so, lets make it happen. We are not really talking about more than about 20 minutes in the day am I right?

We need to “hear” the teachers on this one too for sure and dialogue. Hope we can make it work on both sides. I think maybe we are all visualizing a different experience of the morning and could get on the same page to make it a wonderful time for all.

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